Sàilean Mòr, Oronsay, Loch Sunart

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Sàilean Mòr, Oronsay, Loch Sunart

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We gave up on Salen, Mull, yesterday, and instead had a pretty good sail up to Loch Sunart. The winds had been very changeable in both direction and strength, and we'd considered anchoring in Loch Drumbuie (Loch na Droma Buidhe). But the nagging thought was "Again?". So we decided to try out an anchorage we hadn't been to before, and settled on Sàilean Mòr, a fairly narrow inlet on the north side of Oronsay.

The approach is straightforward, but the entrance does look fairly narrow, and you need to watch out for rocks on the NE side of the entrance. Once in, the rock walls of the inlet gave excellent shelter in the NW wind. We motored around the inlet checking the depths, and then anchoring in the middle, putting out about 22m of chain, probably rather more than we needed, as it turned out.

The anchorage felt very narrow, and although it was at a consistent depth until close to the rocks at the side, I was worried about the wind changing in the night and banging the stern onto the opposite side. As usual, the view from the cockpit was deceptive, and in fact there was plenty of swinging room. This became clear when we walked up the hill towards the head of the inlet;

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Walking on the island is a revelation; we'd just taken it for granted when anchoring on the other side, in Loch Drumbuie, and never explored it. However, there are the remains of several cottages in the central area, and the island is crossed by carefully constructed walls. We even came across what appeared to be a very overgrown, but, well constructed road or wagonway.

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There is a very large fish trap on the Drumbuie side, and from the walls, waggonway, and cottages, I presume that the inhabitants were able to feed themselves from livestock and crop rearing. I wonder why the island became abandoned. Anyone know?

There were no sheep or cattle on the island, at least not where we were. There was a lot of evidence of deer, although we didn't see any, and, possibly, hare (although I am not an expert on animal toilet habits or remains). Midges and ticks were in abundance.

Apart from a couple of trickles, there were no streams near the houses. I suppose the people collected rainwater and perhaps used wells or cisterns to store the trickles.

We returned to the boat for a really peaceful evening and night. It was pretty light until midnight, this pic of "Naisso", a Westerly Typhoon, being taken at almost half eleven.

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We had to return home today, so started lifting the anchor at 0615. I'd incorrectly assumed the bottom was sand, but it was glutinous grey mud, real sticks-like-excrement stuff, and much more gluey (even) than Loch Aline or Puilladobhrain. It was extremely difficult extracting the anchor from the gunge. Strange smelling stuff - even after several scrubs, and a bath, I can still smell it on my, by now, very clean fingers.

Overall, an interesting and wonderful place, although walking on the island is tough going, very hummocky, with a lot of bracken to wade through. Next time we're in Loch Drumbuie I'll make a point of visiting the fish trap.
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Post by Silkie »

Nice report Donald, thanks. You should assemble all your anchorage posts into a single guide. I'm sure Nick would host it on the main site.
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You should assemble all your anchorage posts into a single guide. I'm sure Nick would host it on the main site.
I would be absolutely delighted to, but perhaps it should be password protected and restricted to members of this forum to stop the hordes descending?

What do people think about making this sort of info publicly available, should we keep it to ourselves?
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There you go again!

Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK you're only Scottish by marriage and so could technically be seen as one of the horde yourself?

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WTFAYOA?

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WTFAYOA ye wee Swedish nyaff?

Most people associate the word Hordes with the Mongol empire, but apparently you think I amm talking about the English, or non-Scots at least. Let me just point out that it was your provincial assumption, and not what I said. Who said anything about Scottish? Not me. This isn't a Scottish forum, it's a sailing forum. Hordes are anyone who isn't us. Those flying the wrong burgee will be fired upon. I have previously remarked that when we return to the Canaries in a year or so we will probably find the place full of Brits because of our series of articles extolling the place, and I wonder if we should have done it. Not because they are Brits, but because they are people / boats /crowds.

I really resent the suggestion in fact that this IS a Scottish forum, as it will keep others out. That is one of the reasons I don't want threads with a strong political slant.

So - can I take this opportunity to say that

a) THIS IS A SAILING FORUM

b) THIS IS A UK BASED SAILING FORUM


The queston of whether or not Donald wants to make this info publicly available and easily findable on Google is entirely up to Donald though, I would suggest. I was merely pointing out a consequence.

Sorry I spoke. I think a day or so away from this place will do me good. Maybe I should start a Seil Sailing Forum.
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There you go again!

This has been discussed before and Donald's opinion then was that the information is already out there and that his views are not going to make much difference to the "marina" sailor. For anyone else though, it's all good stuff and we should celebrate his contributions IMO.

You need to go for a sail. Are you about this weekend?

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This is bordering on the racist and is detracting from Donald's excellent article.

I was about to write something lewd about Donald's fingers but decided against it and hey - guess what, I don't need to now as you are all there. Subliminal fingers

Strange that the BFG should go into this anchorage and fail to find something to hit - still - its only early June, plenty of time.
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Re: Yes

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Nick wrote:What do people think about making this sort of info publicly available, should we keep it to ourselves?
There is a genuine issue there, and I'm unsure about the "correct" response.

Looking at it logically, most of the best anchorages have already been been published by the Clyde Cruising Club, and Martin Lawrence. All of them, of course, are published on the Admiralty charts. So, if you take the Argyll/Morvern/Mull area, there are no "hidden" Puilladobhrains waiting to be discovered.

Many "occasional" or "settled weather" anchorages have also been published - eg the appendix to the CCC Sailing Directions is a veritable gold mine. Some haven't been published, usually because there is some potential hazard. In this particular case, Sàilean Mòr is published in the main part of the CCC Sailing Directions (don't know about Martin Lawrence).

For the reasons covered in the earlier thread, and well summed up by Silkie, I'd guess the people who are attracted by the wilder places are content to share that information, reasonably confident that the Tobermory weekenders will give it a miss. Just for the record, features include;
  • no fuel;
    no harbour or engineering facilities;
    no pontoons;
    no visitor moorings;
    no electricity;
    no fresh water supply;
    no pub; and
    no restaurants.
Pretty crap, really....
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It is my absolute belief that Silkie - bemused and confused by an over indulgence in Pilot books written purposefuly to put people off - sees the opportunity of a lifeline here. At last, a positive approach to describing anchorages off the beaten path and whatever difficulties made light of.
This, I believe is why he would like them put into a separate forum - the Friendly Forum for Forbidden Places Forum for example.

Running this on a way, Loch Teacups would not appear in such a forum and so Silkie will not go there - unless of course he signs up to crew on the TCM Leviathan Charter next May.
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"For those brave enough to venture past the point of Ardnamurchan, remember, you will at some point have to come back."

Personally every time I have been passed Ardnamurchy, I have never wanted to return South!

" The Wash a dangerous lee shore where no small boat should venture except in long periods of settled weather".

I thought about it once, much too scary for me!
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Thank you Shard

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Donald the voice of reason - you understand the dilemma, and indeed it has been brought up before but not talked through to a conclusion.

However, as I now understand it and with Silkie's confused ravings put to one side, you yourself would be in favour of more publicly available informaion on anchorages that you have enjoyed in the past and have mentioned on here.

I will therefore begin next week preparing an expandable series on cocasional and lesser known anchorages. No doubt I will get the erse sued off me when people hit rocks you have failed to mention, but that is a risk I am prepared to take.

Anyone else contributing similar posts should indicate whether or not they want them to be inclued in the guide.

I suppose BlueMoment Boltholes would be a little too unoriginal?
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Post by Ocklepoint »

Thanks for posting a picture of my boat.

If you look very carefully at the top picture you will see a tiny white dot in the distance.

I think that is my boat moored in Glenmore Bay, Ardnamurchan

From my mooring I can see into that bay on Oransay: a bit open to the north, sometimes empty and even at times when Tobe is really full there are never more than a handful of boats in it.

Perhaps putting more information out there as in "Blue Bolt Holes" might change that.

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Perhaps putting more information out there as in "Blue Bolt Holes" might change that.
That is what I was thinking and that is why I suggested we could perhaps only make the info available to BlueMoment members - that would be good from the point of view of encouraging new members as well . . . I would create a 'taster' article then people would have to sign up to the forum to access the rest. The 'welcome to the forums' email would include the password for the members section.

I think this approach would be good for the site and good for people who don't want to see their favourite anchorages full of boats. I don't see this approach as in any way elitist or racist, and from a commercial point of view it makes no sense as open access to these pages would bring more traffic.

I will put a poll up, and would appreciate everyone taking the time to vote.
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He himself being away on business and his laptop at the menders I was tempted to put my oar in about this. Some people on this forum enjoy writing and taking photos and we all enjoy what they do but there is a degree of serendipity about how we pick up information on the web - a bit like the way we stumble across nice places when we're sailing - which is good and I would be sorry if we went out of our way to erode it. We already have 'passages and places' so let's not bother with 'boltholes'.
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I would mind you to keep a civil tongue in your head my Good Woman - coming on here and using such language
Serendipity indeed
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