Anchor....sorry

[spuddy]

I've now bought a Hustler 30 - about 4 tons displ, which has a 28 lb CQR. I'm thinking of shifting the anchors from the old boat over; they are a 10 kg Delta and a 10kg Bugel and they held 2.5 tons, no problem. Any opinions on the adequacy of these two for the heavier boat?
I'll not be buying a new anchor at all as I'm now broke.

[claymore]

No point in discussing it then, or is this to act as a reference for when you are back in funds?

[DaveS]

I've now bought a Hustler 30 - about 4 tons displ, which has a 28 lb CQR. I'm thinking of shifting the anchors from the old boat over; they are a 10 kg Delta and a 10kg Bugel and they held 2.5 tons, no problem. Any opinions on the adequacy of these two for the heavier boat?
I'll not be buying a new anchor at all as I'm now broke.

My Etap 30 has a similar displacement: meant to be 3.5 tonnes, but with all the junk aboard probably nearer 4. The recommended size of Delta for her was 10 kg and the Bugel is supposed to hold better than an equivalent weight Delta. That said, I actually fitted a 16kg Delta...

[Silkie]

I typed quite a long reply to the OP last night, then whittled it down to two sentences then decided not to post at all.

However, emboldened by the earlier replies, the upshot of my efforts last night was that there will almost certainly come a dark stormy night when you'll wish you had a better anchor than any of your current three.

If you sold the Delta and Bugel you would surely get enough for a pre-loved 16kg Delta - a fine and well-proven anchor IMO.

PS - My best bower weighs in at 4.75kg on a 2 tonne boat so please feel free to disregard the above.

[spuddy]

I reckon Claymore must have been replying to another thread.
As Silkie implies, it's the psychological security that comes from going up an extra size. Maybe that was what I was after - as I'm shuddering with anxiety down below then I could reassure myself by muttering, "It'll be alright; Bluemoment said so".

[Silkie]

Claymore is a valued contributor of course but sadly these days is usually replying to some internal dialogue unseen by the rest of us.

[claymore]

Ahem
I wonder whether my anchor is big enough on the boat I have just bought which has run away with all my funds.
This is merely an academic question because, as you will have read, i have no money at the moment because of buying the boat, so even if you say no its not big enough it wont make any difference as I cannot aford to change it at the moment so I will read what you write and put your recommendations down on my wish list and in the meantime I shall attempt to avoid anchoring on dark and stormy nights.

Unless, of course, you say its ok.

So Silkiepoos and Spudderoonie - my response was perfect really and naturally your humble apologies are not necessary because all I want from this is that you gain an insight into the workings of my amazing brain and ability to paraphrase and read between lines.
May my gift of enlightenment be upon you and remain with you always.
Amen

As you can see, i dont respond to anchor threads. Hows the new boat, is she all you ever dreamed of and are you enjoying sailing her?

[SteveN]

Can't comment on Deltas and Bugels as I don't have one, but I guess that the Kobra2 that I use is similar to a Delta.

I'd have said that a 10Kg Delta or similar high holding power anchor would be just fine for the new 4 ton boat.
After all it's not really about the weight but more about the fluke area and holding power surely?

We use a 16Kg Kobra2 on a 9.5 ton boat and it's never given us any cause for concern.
It replaced a 45lb/20.5Kg CQR, so yes it's lighter, but it must have 3 to 4 times the fluke area of the CQR and that's what counts IMHO.

[spuddy]

Thanks for the elaboration Claymore. I'm very little wiser.
New boat is pretty classy - I'm now like those plebs who have a dog that's better bred than they are. Goes to windward very well but rolls downwind, quality joinery down below so looks like a gentlemen's club but is not as comfy.

[claymore]

Well, they look well and if she rolls downwind thats an easy fix
Whizz the anchor over the back - I would recommend a 28lb cqr....

[Aja]

We looked at one a number of years ago - 'Tangle' - you can't really go wrong with a Holman & Pye design - although you will find it bottom clenching the first time you are flying dead downwind with too much sail.

Claymore is right - depending on your anchoring requirements - I see nothing wrong with a CQR - but when/if money becomes available there is no reason not to 'upgrade' - we do it for any number of other things on a boat.

My main anchor is a 35lb CQR on 60 metres of 10mm chain (which in my mind is as important [weight/length] as any discussion as to which anchor) and I sleep soundly at night in most conditions in a 6 tonne + Moody.

My second anchor is a Bruce which hasn't seen light of day - and is unlikely to either.

Hope this helps

Donald

[mm5aho]

We use a CQR also. Its 40 something lbs. Its done a few years (about 30?) satisfactorily. I've dragged it occasionally, especially when doing something silly. (eg One night, anchoring in the dark, in Ardinarmar, where miscommunications between cockpit and bow ended up with half the required length of chain. Blew up in the night and we dragged, but woke up in time to save the day.)

There is a second anchor, another CQR same size.

Only thing done to either has been to re-galvanize occasionally.