Every year, at about this time, I decide I must buy a new anchor and after starting several thinly-veiled trolls on sailing forums I carry on with the (t)rusty plough. This year WILL be different and I WILL buy a new anchor.
I see Compass are now offering the Bugel although I am a bit confused about whether this is the Bugel or a bugel, umlauts notwithstanding. Is bugel just a generic name for a generic "rollbar" anchor with a flat fluke and will the Compass offering have been made in China from chocolate steel? It's certainly an excellent price and this must at least partly result from the simple design. The design seems to be popular in the Med.
I actually know someone who has one (and will ask his opinion when next we meet) but wondered what thoughts there were on here.
interestingly, if you use the " brand " search facility on the compass site the name
" bugel " is conspicuous by its absence. that may be of significance. also there does not appear to be any identifying marks stamped on the example in their photo.
i am considering the purchase of a manson supreme which looks as tho` it will have to be from gaelforce, inverness. a bit dearer - but if you are interested in investigating the possibilty of a discount for buying 2 - let me know. i am looking at ways to get the thing to glasgow for free.
What size are you thinking of? I seriously doubt whether it'll be possible to get any discount for two anchors even with associated chain, warp and shackles. I'd considered approaching Dave at Alba (who presumably would get some kind of trade price from them) to see if he might negotiate.
looking at 11kgs or 16kgs i think. need to check further. i don`t require chain or shackles.
what size for you - 3kgs - 7 kgs ? what have you got at the moment ?
if the worst comes to the worst i can always go to inverness on the free bus and humph them back in a holdall
Silkie wrote:Every year, at about this time, I decide I must buy a new anchor and after starting several thinly-veiled trolls on sailing forums I carry on with the (t)rusty plough. This year WILL be different and I WILL buy a new anchor.
I see Compass are now offering the Bugel although I am a bit confused about whether this is the Bugel or a bugel, umlauts notwithstanding. Is bugel just a generic name for a generic "rollbar" anchor with a flat fluke and will the Compass offering have been made in China from chocolate steel? It's certainly an excellent price and this must at least partly result from the simple design. The design seems to be popular in the Med.
I actually know someone who has one (and will ask his opinion when next we meet) but wondered what thoughts there were on here.
And remember...
Dave, not having seen one of them in use, (luckily) but from looking at the design I dont rate them highly
It is my reckoning that if it is burried in sand or mud and the boat is swinging around quite a lot, it would be inclined to pull out as if the flat plate is tilted or pulled sideways and forward at the same instance then it could raise the tip and slide out in an upward angle, something like the blade on a skate while the skater is doing a long sweeping arc on the ice.
Very hard to explain in words.
Incidently, one of my mates is selling 30m of 8mm anchor chain, which I hope I'll not regret having not bought it myself someday.
Ancora Latina wrote:Up to now, we are selling direct to UK, for small sizes ( up to R 800 - for boats up to 33 feet) we can send them by post and the shipping cost is reasonable.
I didn't see any prices on your site João. How much for a 600 or an 800 and how about shipping costs? Just idle curiousity - don't go to any trouble.
little boy blue wrote:what size for you - 3kgs - 7 kgs ? what have you got at the moment ?
I wouldn't anchor my Mirror with a 3kg anchor no matter how good the design! I couldn't quite bring myself to trust the 15 pounder either and have been considering the 25. I've currently got a 20lb plough.
I'd seen your selection table OK but at >6m and >2T I had put Silkie in the R800 category. The notion of lying to a 10lb anchor with a 2T boat is slightly scary. (Design notwithstanding.)
little boy blue wrote:what size for you - 3kgs - 7 kgs ? what have you got at the moment ?
I wouldn't anchor my Mirror with a 3kg anchor no matter how good the design! I couldn't quite bring myself to trust the 15 pounder either and have been considering the 25. I've currently got a 20lb plough.
So do you reckon that a 10kg bruce is too small/light for my HB30 which is 3.2 tonne displacement?
Clyde_Wanderer wrote:
So do you reckon that a 10kg bruce is too small/light for my HB30 which is 3.2 tonne displacement?
This is a common mistake to classified anchors with their weight.
An equal weight, the efficient blade (fluke) surface area of a fisherman anchor, a Bruce or a CQR anchor and any « New gen » anchor are completely different.
If a 3kg anchor has about the same blade surface area than a 10 kg Bruce, its holding should be quite similar.
Unfortunately (on purpose) manufacturers don’t indicate the surface area of their anchors. Below you will see side by side, a 70 kg Bruce compared with a 44 kg AL
For me, no doubt… I prefer to be anchored with a 44 kg Raya than with a 70 kg Bruce... less weight on the bow for a much more efficient anchor!
João
No expert here but I am inclined to dissagree with you on the weight fact, not much good having a large area if it doesent have enought weight in it to start digging itself in as opposed to skimming along the bottom.
The chain also plays a big part in the dig in by drawing the anchor in the correct attidude for the point to dig in.
Looking at your anchor I reckon there is too much blade area behing the stem base to be effective.
Then again if the bruce were placed as near to the camera as the other anchor in your pic it might be a more realistic comparrison.
(Design notwithstanding.)
