If you have had a nice day out sailing ....

[marisca]

.. don't log onto TOP! I did yesterday and found about 100 moany posts mostly ripping into some poor sod who asked a question about leeway. If it's that bad in early December, by February or March they will probably be eating each other (or arguing about anchors again).
Last race is next Sunday so after that I'll probably be joining them!

[Clyde_Wanderer]

Would you be chuffed to learn that your sailing teacher dident know what leeway was?
Maybe you have all your certs by now, but I pity the new novice who put their trust in a classroom teacher and ask what is leeway, to be told dont know, so they dismiss it as unimportant which could later leave them open to making mistakes in navigation and passage planning, which we all know what the ultimate consequences of those sort of mistakes could be.
Besides, the teacher could have read up on the subject instead of leaving himself open to the public redicule he got.
C_W

[Silkie]

FFS CW don't bring that kind of nonsense over here. The "poor sod" made three posts on the first page of that thread and will probably never post again. At no point did he ask what leeway was. As a shore-based instructor I'm quite sure he knows exactly it's effect and how to allow for it when navigating.

IMO he asked a poorly phrased question about how the forces acting on a boat produce leeway and was buried in an avalanche of crap from posters who'd much rather have a good old ding-dong than address an honest enquiry.

Personally, I very much prefer to be taught by someone who is able to say "I don't know but I'll find out" (even if he is naive enough to think he'll get the answer from TOP) than by someone who sets himself up as an authority on all matters nautical and has an answer for every question.

No-one knows everything, except posters on TOP of course.

The thread for anyone who missed it.

[Nick]

.. don't log onto TOP! I did yesterday and found about 100 moany posts mostly ripping into some poor sod who asked a question about leeway. If it's that bad in early December, by February or March they will probably be eating each other (or arguing about anchors again).
Last race is next Sunday so after that I'll probably be joining them!

Why not stay here and and start a few positive threads instead ???

Good luck in the last race - can't believe people are still sailing in Scotland in this weather.

[marisca]

... can't believe people are still sailing in Scotland in this weather.

I admit it has been a touch more parky this year but the Forth has had some lovely days. When Heather says "rain" it usually means downpours in the west and possibly a little drizzle in the east, similarly "gales" tend to reach about F5 and mostly from the west so not much sea. Pity the water is a brown muddy colour, the scenery isn't, and there's nowhere to anchor and go ashore, but for 3 months after 6 months on the west, it's nae bad.

There's no such thing as bad weather - just inadequate clothing!

[sahona]

yup, tip of the week is don't get cold or wet (unlike the doctor daughter of Richard Virgin ~ did you see it?)
It was so cold in Wales last week we couldn't take on water, tried to de-frost the deck with marina water - but it's fresh in Penarth, so that was another disater. then there was the alleged F9 in the irish sea, but by then we were tucked up in Bangor. Then a crackin' whizz to troon over night .
Wrap up and it's magic at this time of year - and the night skies.....

[Rowana]

Going back to the teaching point again, I used to do a bit of teaching in a former life. If I was standing there giving it my all, and some punter asked a question I didn't know the answer to, I used to say -"Can we leave that just now. It's something that is covered later on, and I'll answer your question then"

Then at tea/lunch break, I would go and find the answer, and bring up the question later along with the answer.

Did wonders for my street cred

[Clyde_Wanderer]

FFS CW don't bring that kind of nonsense over here. The "poor sod" made three posts on the first page of that thread and will probably never post again. At no point did he ask what leeway was. As a shore-based instructor I'm quite sure he knows exactly it's effect and how to allow for it when navigating.

IMO he asked a poorly phrased question about how the forces acting on a boat produce leeway and was buried in an avalanche of crap from posters who'd much rather have a good old ding-dong than address an honest enquiry.

Personally, I very much prefer to be taught by someone who is able to say "I don't know but I'll find out" (even if he is naive enough to think he'll get the answer from TOP) than by someone who sets himself up as an authority on all matters nautical and has an answer for every question.

No-one knows everything, except posters on TOP of course.

The thread for anyone who missed it.

Guess I better keep my mouth shut in future, keeping my opinions to myself.

[Nick]

Guess I better keep my mouth shut in future, keeping my opinions to myself.

Don't do that Eamonn . . . maybe we should have an unofficial boycott of any mention of TOP on here though.

What do the team think?

[Arghiro]

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What do the team think?

Think? THINK! You Must be joking!

[Nick]

Wrap up and it's magic at this time of year.....

Aye, easy for you to say when you've a wheelhouse and an eberspacher . . . how about heading up this way and taking us for a wee Winter cruise round our native habitat? We'll supply the whisky.

[lady_stormrider]

I spent the weekend cleaning Chiron whilst the skipper played with his sea cocks. Industrial Brillo solution made excellent inroads on the green slime.

Night was spent on Aquaplane on Windermere. I dread to think what the temperature and wind chill factor were, but we have no door on the First 18. As well as no heating.

I had two sweaters over my galley slave corset, a pair of gloves, bed socks & the skippers fleece hat. This was inside a proper three season sleeping bag. I was a bit cold. This has led me to start collecting £2 coins for an eberspaker for Chiron.

[Silkie]

This was inside a proper three season sleeping bag.

There's the problem - this is the fourth season.

PS - Congratulations on the new boat.

[lady_stormrider]

Thank you. It is a steep learning curve, adding 8 feet onto one's sailing knowlege.

The skipper hopes to have her off hard standing and in Windermere by March. He's ordered a considerable quantity of anti fouling, a new windex, got a lot of the rigging washed and is trying to source a quarter berth which appears to be missing. I can't imagine what fool he has lined up to do the scraping and painting and er.......oh

But she's essentially sound - and we can repair to Aquaplane a short dingy ride away for a warm up round the paraffin lamp and some victuals.

[sahona]

[/Quote] Aye, easy for you to say when you've a wheelhouse and an eberspacher . . . how about heading up this way and taking us for a wee Winter cruise round our native habitat? We'll supply the whisky.[/quote]

We don't have an eber! (and Sahona's on the hard)
Anyway, it was a friends heater-less boat that we were delivering - It started the voyage with a generator tied to the mast and a fan heater in the saloon, but the genny didn't survive the passage!