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It's an interesting topic and I found the appoach taken by HIDB when they ran moorings here and there to be sensible: no pickup, just a big galvanised shackle for you to attach whatever you chose onto. Their logic was that you supply and use something that suits your boat and, since it gets a lot of (ab)use by Joe Public, both washed and unwashed, it would be very prone to damage.
On the other hand, all the visitors' moorings I encounter now have a pickup attached so everyone expects there to be something and gets upset and flustered when they find that they are expected to supply something.
So logic demands no but satisfying popular expectations says yes. I hope that clarifies the matter!

Derek

I agree with CPEDW, The junk won't fit every boat, and will be abused by some. It will be manky when brought aboard. People will use the pickup buoy handle to take the whole weight when making an arce of arriving.
AND IT WILL SPOIL ALL THE FUN WE HAVE watching the loonies trying to deal with the shackle without a happy hooker. Nothing to recomend it at all unless it's private and tailored to the boat. Roll on the Millport Follies.

I was up at Lochgoilhead last summer and heard that Carrick was more or less shut - nae booze nae papers nae nuffin. Previous visits to the castle pub had only annoyed Mr Grumpy. Are you suggesting it has self-healed? or are we supposed to bring the injection of cash needed when we visit?

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Hi, welcome to BlueMoment

It's a bit off topic, but what a spectacular looking boat Elsa is. I'd never heard of a Krogen 38 before. She looks like she would be good offshore, but the ballast ratio is very low - have any Krogens made serious offshore passages?

Nick wrote:.
have any Krogens made serious offshore passages?

according to his blog, Elsa was sailed to Gib from USA ...

like the stove!?

Nick wrote:.
I'd never heard of a Krogen 38 before. She looks like she would be good offshore, but the ballast ratio is very low - have any Krogens made serious offshore passages?

'Big beam coupled with a hefty (over 30 percent) ballast displacement ratio make the Krogen 38 a very stiff centerboarder. That in turn allows her to carry a big, tall rig for maximum horsepower.'

Comment from a U.S. (I think) sailing mag:
http://www.kadeykrogen.com/articles/pag ... rticle.htm
Although admittedly it doesn't sound very high - similar to many cruising boats tho?

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How do you abuse a strop?

What I meant was, if there is any anti-chafe pipe on, it may not match the distance between your stemhead and cleat. Some folks don't add the necessary protection, and it wears prematurely.

I'd go for a light line on the pick-up buoy (easy for SWMBO to get hold of) but a substantial length of plain chain to make off on whatever main cleating arrangement each boat has. The chain sinks & holds the pick-up neatly close to the mooring buoy. Users can add their own sound deadening rags etc at the stem fitting if they wish.

This technique is comming on the strongly tidal Menai Straits & works well. The pick-up buoy line is so light (6-8mm is plenty) that even a dinghy sailor, open boat fisherman or MoBo'er would not consider using it for mooring.

If you are going to go for a pickup, the type Arghiro describes is similar to the arrangement they use at Tobermory, which seems to be bulletproof, well almost ... http://bluemoment.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1822
Derek