BLUEMOMENT

I have a visitor's fob from Kip. Any indication it would work at Croabh?

I wonder if my green MacMillan Cancer fob will secure a free piddle?

Extreme privatization creating a secondary market in fob-rental at Craobh Marina with a sliding scale of charges from pee to poop to full “excrement a shower and a shave”. Demand based pricing a la Ryanair
During WHYW securicor or G4 brought in to enforce on behalf of berth holders

Who is it that is currently using the bogs that they are trying to exclude? Is it the fish farm workers or people visiting the watersports place?

Burst Boiler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:50 am Who is it that is currently using the bogs that they are trying to exclude? Is it the fish farm workers or people visiting the watersports place?

I spoke to James at the weekend. Apparently campers, walkers, swimmers, divers (who are not using charter boats from the marina) and motorhomes etc are coming to the Marins just to have a shower and use the facilities. There have been times when all the showers are in use by non berth holders (or their visitors) and there is an increasing frequency of damage, dirt and mess.
He also commented on having told people that these are private facilities, they just wait until the marina staff leave and then come in later in the evening.
The marina staff area also getting abuse from these folks when they inform them that they are not public facilities and there are more frequent times when the mess that is left has meant the toilets have to be shut until walls, ceiling and floors are cleaned.....
The fish farm workers have their own facilities and changing rooms and are known to the Marina staff, so it's not them.

Joking aside, its really disappointing that people behave this way and show no respect for the staff, property and facilities

claymore wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:35 pm I wonder if my green MacMillan Cancer fob will secure a free piddle?

Need to know more about your MacMillan fob?

Thanks Gardenshed for the info.

I have heard that campervanners maintain websites with (non-public) facilities and latest door codes. Lochboisdale seemed to have that sort of thing going on last time I was there.

Many people in vans understand the need to be sensible, but too many (maybe hirers) think all's fair and freeloading is part of the fun. Same way they empty their cassette toilets in ditches. Landlubbing city dwellers with no respect for places they only visit temporarily.

Aja wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:31 am

claymore wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:35 pm I wonder if my green MacMillan Cancer fob will secure a free piddle?

Need to know more about your MacMillan fob?

I was given it by the Specialist Nurse.
It's on my car keys, green on one side with McMillan and on the other a printed message saying my cancer treatment causes me to need a pee - would it be OK to use your bog?

Ask your Nurse Donald - or I could send you mine

2nd consecutive PSA Test at 0.6 indicating that things remain under control, so fingers crossed that power, direction and timing are on the mend!

Thanks for the offer though....
Donald

Spot on - Good Man.

BlowingOldBoots wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:25 pm

Burst Boiler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:12 pm.... Landlubbing city dwellers with no respect for places they only visit temporarily.

This constant haranguing of city dwellers is a cheap attack based on prejudice rather than facts. The real reason that people dump their excrement is the inability of Scotland's councils and governments to provide facilities for tourists. There is no real infrastructure in place, yet massive spending on tourist campaigns for the likes of the National Parks, NC500, Kintyre66 through Visit Scotland. All contribute to the trashing of the likes of the Fairy Pools, Skye and dumping of waste outside recognised facilities.

The facilities to support tourism that do not rely on private facilities are woeful. Honest, hard working and enlighten country dwellers can't be trusted to provide communal facilities either as they do not always have the cash or intelligence to provide a service. There are exceptions, and the NC500 group try and provide facilities and offer guidance.

So, blame your council, local government and national government for their lack of foresight, planning and couldn't give a flip attitude to managing tourists.

Hardly constant haranguing - first time I've mentioned it at least. Couldn't the dumb dumpers just take their crap back home again? Why should the councils etc spend scarce cash on "tourists" who come in camper vans, bringing their own accommodation, food and cooking facilities and contribute nothing to the local economy other than dumping trash. And don't get me started on the cruise liner day trippers, wandering around and spending zero because they are on the all-inclusive package on-board.

It is people with "normal" lifestyles with no concept of how remote economies or communities function, with a "someone else should be doing this for my convenience" mentality. All take and no give works in cities with good communal facilities, the problem us when people take that expectation into remote areas that's the problem.

Which city do you dwell in?

Have you ever seen loch lomond after a bank holiday Monday? If people can fit full bottles of coke and single use barbecues in their cars on the way out, they can certainly fit the empty coke bottles and used barbecues in and drive them back to whichever Glasgow suburb they live in. But apparently BoB says Argyll and Bute should leave skips around Luss and Duck Bay. Although the schemies won't use the skips, just leave it all on the grassy areas anyway, so presumably BoB thinksA&B should employ litter collectors too.

Same issue at Ardfern or is it just Craobh that needs to keep out the tourists?
I believe all the Clyde marinas have key-pads or other locks on their doors but while understandable, its sad that there is now a need for the same on the West coast.

BlowingOldBoots wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:37 pm
Scotland's income from tourism is significant, about £4 billion, it has amazing tourist assets that are massively underexploited. Why is all of that income not redirected back into Scotland tourism? Blaming everyone in the city is not the answer.

The tourist assets are massively overexploited. You gave the example of the fairy pools on Skye.

The overall problem is the privatisation of the profits of tourism but the socialisation of the costs. The cruise ship does pay to visit (benefitting the shareholders of peel ports or whoever), the coachloads of tourists (benefitting the owner of the coach company) get taken to a remote location, swamp the place. Are you seriously suggesting the locals in a small village should bear the burden of cleaning up after them (either personally or have the local authority do it)? How about the polluter pays? Those making money from tourists (including camper van hirers) need to take responsibility for the wider costs. That's what we do when we pay mooring fees - the marina bins are emptied by private contractors.

What's your view on the Welsh govt and Edinburgh council's plans for a tourism levy/tourist tax? And what do you think of the tourism industry's responses to them?