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Defaced Flags
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:57 pm
by Aja
Up here in the NW there so appear to be plenty of boats that would under different circumstances be elsewhere.
One thing that has caught my eye is the number of defaced red ensigns.
Question: Is any Scottish yacht Club allowed to fly such a beast?
I'm not talking about the red ensigns with the Saltire.
Donald
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:22 pm
by wully
When I can be a£5ed flying bunting it’s a big Saltire.
Defaced ensigns are up there with blue and white ones IMHO - along with ‘flag etiquette’ in general.
We are going pleasure sailing in wee plastic floating holiday cottages (mostly) so why worry about a flag?
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:49 am
by claymore
I have long believed there is an academic opportuniy here for a Social Science based piece of research and in the right hands, I am convinced there would be sufficient material to support a doctorate.
One would need to explore further than the common stereotypical norms - the dress codes, the boat choices, the Club choices but having said that, they should not be overlooked entirely.
The writer would need a support team - an academic friend, a research assistant, a recognised ' authority' on social trends and established norms - Martin Edge springs to mind.
So - Should we assemble a team?
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 am
by Nick
claymore wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:49 am
I have long believed there is an academic opportuniy here for a Social Science based piece of research and in the right hands, I am convinced there would be sufficient material to support a doctorate.
One would need to explore further than the common stereotypical norms - the dress codes, the boat choices, the Club choices but having said that, they should not be overlooked entirely.
The writer would need a support team - an academic friend, a research assistant, a recognised ' authority' on social trends and established norms - Martin Edge springs to mind.
So - Should we assemble a team?
Bored, are we?
Keep up the physio!
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:07 pm
by claymore
I am!
The timing of all this isn't too bad as I've taken a month subscription to Now TV and so can get the Lions Test.
Unusual for me to have such fortune!

Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:34 pm
by marisca
By the time you've munched your way through All-Bran with rhubarb purée, taken 20 minutes exercise every hour and lost some of that excess fat you shouldn't have much time left for watching telly. Only a boycott of pay-to-view telly will bring events back to free-to-view channels - so do the right thing for once.
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:58 pm
by Burst Boiler
Was leaving Ardfern one morning, much earlier than normal (for me). I was just swinging the bow out and bang on 8am an arm swung out from the stern of a large motor yacht and planted a staff wearing a white ensign into the holder. I could have set my watch by it.
As for Scots being entitled to a defaced duster for being merchantmen torpedoed in the second world war, my grandad was. Twice. On petrol (not oil) tankers. First time by the gerries, which was an inconvenience. What really annoyed him the second time was that it was the tallies.
The defaced sky blue raf one you do see around these parts. Always looked suspect to me.
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm
by wully
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:51 am
by Burst Boiler
Which bit? 2nd time was on the Ohio, operation Pedestal. As junior engineer he reboarded after the fire was out to fix the steering gear.
If you are talking about the flags, I totally agree. Its all a bit pathetic. I'm enjoying my red duster fade in the UV. As long as people don't equate my pink duster with pink trousers.
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:34 am
by Aja
I can say with some authority that the CCC was offered the opportunity to fly a defaced red ensign in recognition of their centenary.
After much discussion at committee level this was declined. If I remember correctly one of the reasons for rejection was the cost to members of changing ensigns.
Regards
Donald
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:11 am
by Burst Boiler
I wasn't the least bit offended - just adding more flavour if anyone was interested. I'm perfectly calm. As is the weather I the sound of raasay.
On topic - is wearing a saltire on the starboard spreader interpreted as a local sailor clarifying where he is from or as a visitor showing courtesy? Or any other funny/more cutting interpretation?
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:46 am
by marisca
I can understand the jealousy from lesser beings towards those of us who have the right, and exercise it, to wear a privileged ensign. As long as you tug your forelocks (Claymore will have to improvise) and show proper respect, all will be well.
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:05 pm
by claymore
marisca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:34 pm
Only a boycott of pay-to-view telly will bring events back to free-to-view channels - so do the right thing for once.
Dream on Sweet Pea.
The great British Public rail against the licence fees being increased
The Over 75's are up in arms about losing their 'free tv'
How on earth can you possibly suggest that a boycott of ptv channels would have any effect?
The mainstream channels are so choked with rubbish and formulaic offerings - unless there is a fundamental attitude shift from the Beeb et al regarding the offer, they are going to be buggered in a short space of time.
FFS
House renovations, cash in the attic, cookery nonsense, sewing nonsense - shyte by the bucketload.
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:19 pm
by marisca
I knew I was getting better when I wanted to throw things at day-time telly. You have to be ill or doped up to be able to stand it at all. Even Rachel Reilly loses her attractions when mental faculties are restored!
Re: Defaced Flags
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:57 pm
by Burst Boiler
She's much better in the late night sweaty version. And the dictionary lady is surprisingly charming on that one too as long as you can ignore Jimmy Carr.