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Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:14 pm
by NorthUp2
Silkie wrote:The story I'm hearing is that she got into an awkward position having been baulked by a ferry and was then caught out by the wind and lack of steerage way.
Toggle between 1800 and 1810- puts the Isle of Mull well clear of the entrance:
http://www.aisliverpool.org.uk/historym ... e=20130520
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:57 pm
by Alan_D
Silkie wrote:The story I'm hearing is that she got into an awkward position having been baulked by a ferry and was then caught out by the wind and lack of steerage way.
I though that was what all the " Ferry Isle of Mull will shortly be leaving the ro-ro berth and exiting Oban Bay via the north entrance" stuff on Channel 16 was meant to avoid.
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:14 am
by sahona
Mark wrote:They call that aground? I've been WAY more aground than that.

That was the last boat in Faro - for 11 hours! Just too late to follow the rule about always entering port on a rising tide...
We don't talk about the latest incident.
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 10:09 pm
by DaveS
claymore wrote:Wonder if the 'Isle of Mull' has a wee cruise liner painted on her wheelhouse
Oh ye'r a bad bu88er...
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:17 pm
by mm5aho
We have a chart with a rock marked in by hand, at a position just north of Insh Island (the one between Mull and Easdale). The helmsman at the time held the position of Admiral. He declined the offer to initial the chart amendment.
Stuff happens. But the Oban bay mark? Gotta be more to that!
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:13 pm
by Arghiro
Nick wrote:What, gone the wrong side of a cardinal mark?
I haven't, and wouldn't expect cruise ship captains to.
You must have low expectations of professional seamen.
God, how boring is that?
I almost always cut corners behind the bouys & regularly find new "passages" over, around & behind the sandbanks. Big ship channels can be over 12' deep

& I get giddy that far from the seabed.
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:24 pm
by Nick
Arghiro wrote:Nick wrote:What, gone the wrong side of a cardinal mark?
I haven't, and wouldn't expect cruise ship captains to.
You must have low expectations of professional seamen.
God, how boring is that?
I almost always cut corners behind the bouys & regularly find new "passages" over, around & behind the sandbanks. Big ship channels can be over 12' deep

& I get giddy that far from the seabed.
I should have said - for the benefit of the pedants among us - that I have never gone the wrong side of a cardinal mark
accidentally.
Are you suggesting the Serenissima deliberately tried to cross the Corran Ledge?
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:37 pm
by Ghillie
NorthUp2 wrote:Toggle between 1800 and 1810- puts the Isle of Mull well clear of the entrance:
It appears to float off just after 01:00 the next day and move towards Kerrera, and then.....
at 01:40 apparently sinks....
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:44 pm
by Nick
Ghillie wrote:NorthUp2 wrote:Toggle between 1800 and 1810- puts the Isle of Mull well clear of the entrance:
It appears to float off just after 01:00 the next day and move towards Kerrera, and then.....
at 01:40 apparently sinks....
. . . or switched off the AIS?
Don't believe everything you see on the internet . .

Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:28 am
by Ghillie
Nick wrote:. . . or switched off the AIS?
I would have hoped that the use of the word "apparently" would have protected me from an apparent charge of naivety!
I am surprised they didn't switch off the AIS the minute it hit bottom.
Of course I believe everything on Blue Moment, a very fine website & forum.
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:41 am
by Nick
Ghillie wrote:Of course I believe everything on Blue Moment, a very fine website & forum.
Floatery will get you everywhere . . .
Re: Cruise liner aground in Oban Bay
Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:15 pm
by Arghiro
Nick wrote:Arghiro wrote:Nick wrote:What, gone the wrong side of a cardinal mark?
I haven't, and wouldn't expect cruise ship captains to.
You must have low expectations of professional seamen.
God, how boring is that?
I almost always cut corners behind the bouys & regularly find new "passages" over, around & behind the sandbanks. Big ship channels can be over 12' deep

& I get giddy that far from the seabed.
I should have said - for the benefit of the pedants among us - that I have never gone the wrong side of a cardinal mark
accidentally.
Are you suggesting the Serenissima deliberately tried to cross the Corran Ledge?
I am not suggesting anything, I simply stated the whole truth rather than half of it.
Bit sensitive tonight are we?