BLUEMOMENT

Aja wrote:On the subject of tidal atlases, what is the difference (other than one covers more area) between NP218 and NP222 - I have NP222 on board. Is the detail of NP222 covered in the other?

Regards

Donald

I don't have NP222 but the area covered by NP218 seems to be about 5 times bigger acording to the little picture on the back cover, so NP222 must be in much more detail.

Aja wrote:On the subject of tidal atlases, what is the difference (other than one covers more area) between NP218 and NP222 - I have NP222 on board. Is the detail of NP222 covered in the other?

No. We carry both, which are on board and not to hand at the moment. From memory, 218 does not record the subtleties of the streams around Sloghnamorra, Rathlin, and the Kintyre and Antrim coasts. Also, I think, SW Islay.

claymore wrote:Is there a Douglas on the IOW as well as the IOM?

Bob - my best time was 18hrs from Troon to Whitehaven.
If you plug the tide to the Mull and get there just as it starts to run North you will get a decent run all the way to Sanda. I have never made it past Kintyre from the Mull of Galloway in one go.

its ok to go from Portpatrick to Gigha or Craighouse in a day (10 - 12 hrs) but I have found that to make it through the tidal gates at each of the Mulls has not been possible in one hit - just never been on a fast enough boat I suppose.

IoW- Isle of Whithorn, Nick sugested it when I was asking before.

I don't think we will be in such a rush as to try to do it in 2 legs, but it's good to have a plan Z incase we spend most of the week in Whitehaven and need to get a move on.

Shard wrote:

Aja wrote:On the subject of tidal atlases, what is the difference (other than one covers more area) between NP218 and NP222 - I have NP222 on board. Is the detail of NP222 covered in the other?

No. We carry both, which are on board and not to hand at the moment. From memory, 218 does not record the subtleties of the streams around Sloghnamorra, Rathlin, and the Kintyre and Antrim coasts. Also, I think, SW Islay.

Thanks Shard and Aquaplane. Is NP218 worth the pennies? I've managed all these years without it.

Donald

Aja wrote:

Shard wrote:No. We carry both, which are on board and not to hand at the moment. From memory, 218 does not record the subtleties of the streams around Sloghnamorra, Rathlin, and the Kintyre and Antrim coasts. Also, I think, SW Islay.

Thanks Shard and Aquaplane. Is NP218 worth the pennies? I've managed all these years without it.

Donald

I don't know, I have only used the left hand page so far. Going round the MoK this year we used the info in the CCC Kintyre to Ardnamurchan book as there was a bit more detail, and it was all on one page.
Perhaps I should get 222 too?

If you like chasing the wee eddies then it's chust the verra thing for you.

My reference to the the wee eddies should not, under any circumstances, be mistaken for Stephen Mulrine's Wee Malkies.

THE COMING OF THE WEE MALKIES
(Stephen Mulrine)

Haw missis, whit'll ye dae when the wee Malkies come,
If they dreep doon affy the wash-hoose dyke,
An pit the hems oan the sterrheid light,
An play wee heidies oan the clean close wa,
An blooter yer windae in wi' a ba',
Missis, whit'll ye dae?

Whit'll ye dae when the wee Malkies come,
If they chap yir door an choke yir drains,
An caw the feet fae yir sapsy weans,
An tummle thur wulkies through yir sheets,
An tim thur ahes oot in the street,
Missis, whit'll ye dae?

Whit'll ye dae when the wee Malkies come,
If they chuck thur screwtaps doon the pan,
An stick the heid oan the sanitry man,
When ye hear thum shauchlin doon yir loaby,
Chanting, "Wee Malkies! The gemme's a bogey!"
Haw, missis, whit'll ye dae?

This month's copy of YM, September 2012, No 1,276, has a 6 page Expert on Board article by John Goode titled How to work out the tidal stream. Sources of information mentioned are (1) Yachtsman's Tidal Atlases compiled by the late Michael Reeve-Fowkes and currently published by Adlard Coles. (2) Admiralty tidal stream atlases. (3) Charted tidal diamonds.

Ash

As it happens, on the passage planning chart in the Admiralty Irish Sea East folio, there are 4 or 5 tidal diamonds between Whitehaven and the MoG. Of course I only got the charts out after I had ordered the Tidal Atlas. At least the diamonds say about the same thing as the tidal atlas.

I recon we're gona need a bigger boat!

Its really straightforward Bob, all the water comes sluicing out of the Solway on the ebb and all you need to do is time your arrival at the Mull to catch the northward running stream. This will mean plugging a foul tide for a while but it isn't desperately strong from Whitehaven - You'll then get washed up the coast past Portpatrick and will can have a favourable tide most of the way to Sanda if that is your chosen route. It will feel as if Ailsa Craig is in tow! The greatest flow runs between the 2 Mulls so its worth setting off into the flooding tide to get the full benefit from the Mull of Galloway.
The Crinan is worth considering if you have Northerlies although obviously they will turn to Southerlies the minute you poke your nose out into the top end of the Sound of Jura!

claymore wrote:Its really straightforward Bob, all the water comes sluicing out of the Solway on the ebb and all you need to do is time your arrival at the Mull to catch the northward running stream. This will mean plugging a foul tide for a while but it isn't desperately strong from Whitehaven - You'll then get washed up the coast past Portpatrick and will can have a favourable tide most of the way to Sanda if that is your chosen route. It will feel as if Ailsa Craig is in tow! The greatest flow runs between the 2 Mulls so its worth setting off into the flooding tide to get the full benefit from the Mull of Galloway.
The Crinan is worth considering if you have Northerlies although obviously they will turn to Southerlies the minute you poke your nose out into the top end of the Sound of Jura!

If the weather is not that great stay well off the Mull of Galloway otherwise you can go in almost to touching distance.